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General Category => General Scottish => Topic started by: Bobbie on February 10, 2008, 11:29:11 PM
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Fact of the Day
Robert the Bruce assassinated his chief rival to the throne of Scotland, John "Red" Comyn, on this day in 1306. The two rivals met at the altar of a church in Dumfries and argument quickly ensued. Bruce, unable to contain his rage at Comyn, stabbed his enemy in front of the altar.
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Thanks Bobbie, I really enjoy these.
Big T
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Sweet go Robert the Bruce.
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Fact of the Day
The Massacre of Glencoe occurred on this day in 1692, in which 34 men, two women and two children, members of the Macdonald clan, were slaughtered by Campbells and other soldiery on government orders after inadvertent failure of clan chief to sign allegiance to William III.
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Those clans sound familiar. Where they mentioned in Braveheart?
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Fact of the Day
The Massacre of Glencoe occurred on this day in 1692, in which 34 men, two women and two children, members of the Macdonald clan, were slaughtered by Campbells and other soldiery on government orders after inadvertent failure of clan chief to sign allegiance to William III.
IM OFTEN IN GLENCOE, ITS A NICE TEA STOP ENROUTE FROM A TO B. THE MASSACRED CLAN WERE THE McIANS OF THE MACDONALD CLAN. THE MURDERERSWERE , OF COURSE, THE CAMPBELLS OF GLENLYON. THERES A VISITORS CENTRE THERE WITH FILMS AND GIFTS .....RUN BY A CAMPBELL!
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Graham,
"Brave Hart" is a wonderful movie, but as history goes it's B.S. It has just enough truth in it to bear a resemblence to the real story.
And Glencoe happened about 300-400 years after the time frame of "Brave Hart" And I don't remember any mention to the Campbell or Mac Donald clans in the movie.
But I have a question about the movie. Just after Wallace has killed the sherrif who killed his wife, the father of his friend (tha father was killed later in the movie) says something i've never been able to understand. He says something like "Macullach, Macullach," then everyone else starts shouting "wallace!, Wallace!"---What is the old man saying? Anyone know?
"Brave Hart" is one of my favorite movies, and it did a lot to raize Scotish pride, but any resemblance the movie has to actual history is in general at best.
Best regards,
Booner
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Hamish, the big red head bugger who was Mel Gibson's right hand man (he throws the claymore at the end of the flick in what is probably one of the greatest scenes in cinematic history) was a Campbell, his dad was called Campbell. Booner, we'll just have to ignore the Lowlanders with Highland names, who dress like Highlanders, and toss about Gaelic phrases, etc. Brian Cox's character, Wallace's uncle, is called Argyll, implying a probably historically incorrect connection to the Campbells.
I'm not sure that the MacDonalds were mentioned, historically they were too probably too busy lording over the Western Isles to give a tinkers damn about the distant squabblings of English and Scottish monarchs.
I always thought that the guy who played Hamish should have played the role of Wallace, he had the build for it (isn't Mel Gibson about 5'8" or something?) Besides, he's the better actor...but when you're the director I guess you can cast yourself as the hero.
Nathan
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I love Mel Gibson. He's awesome. Thats where I heard Campbell from. Hamish is awesome so is his dad. And I love that crazy Irish guy, "I told you that it's my island!" I love it
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Fact of the Day
Robert the Bruce was crowned King of Scotland at Scone on this day in 1306. After the controversial death of one of his main rivals - who was murdered on a church altar - Bruce was made king but still had to contend with the power of English monarch Edward I ("Hammer of the Scots"). Bruce eventually defeated Edward's son at the battle of Bannockburn.
Barbara (taking over for Bobbie)
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Fact of the Day
Today in 1625 Charles I came to the throne of England and Scotland. His reign would be turbulent and his clashes with the English Parliament, plus his handling of religious issues, led to civil war and his eventual beheading.
Barbara
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WELL CHAPS; IN THE FILM HAMISH'S DA SHOUTS 'MAC AULACH 'AND THE REST TAKE UP THE SHOUT, HE/THEY ARE PROCLAIMING WALLACE THE LEADER BY HISWARRIOR SKILLS.(IF YOU WANT A ROUGH TRANSLATION='MAIN MAN'
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Thanks MACTAVISH,
My Hearing is pretty poor but I knew he said something like that,
ok, I'm going to put you on the spot. What does this mean --> "Mo Dhia, an do threig Clann mo chinnidhmi?"
Booner
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WELL BOONER;ITS GRAMMATICALLY NOT GOOD BUT THE GIST OF IT IS -THAT SOMEONE
IS ASKING GOD WHY HIS/HER CHILDREN(WELL, THOSE WITH HIS/HER NAME) HAVE LEFT (DESERTED) HIM OR HER. STRANGE PIECE OF DIALOGUE WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT??? STEVIE
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I'LL REPHRASE THAT, ITS GRAMMATICALLY SOUND- JUST A WEE BIT ARCHAIC!
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MACTAVISH, U DA MAN!
Alexander Macdonald of Keppoch as he was leading his clan in their charge at Culloden, looked over his shoulder and saw his clansmen holding back said that to them. His clansmen, after hearing this, began a furious charge.
One of the things I like about Prebbles writing is that he may write in latin or gaelic, but then he tells you what it meant, for the benefit for those of us who didn't have a classical education!
All the best
Booner
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Fact of the Day
It was on today in 1652 that the Honours of Scotland - consisting of the sceptre, sword and crown - were smuggled to safety through the siege of Dunottar Castle by the wife of a Scottish minister. Oliver Cromwell had destroyed some of the regalia of the English crown and was intent on doing the same to Scotland's royal symbols. The wife of James Granger, minister of the parish of Kinneff near Stonehaven, then buried the Honours underneath the church where they remained until the restoration of Charles II.
Barbara
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Trust a woman to think of the jewels!!! Men just grabbed the swords, armor and their favorite wine cups!
We rock!
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Thats right we like shiny and sharp things
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Fact of the Day
Today in 1139 King David I was recognised as King of Scotland by King Stephen of England. King David spent 30 years at the Norman court of England and was given titles and estates south of the border, including Prince of Cumbria. When David returned to Scotland he was accompanied by many Norman knights who became the future kings and nobility of Scotland, including Bruce, Baliol and FitzAlan. The Fitzalans became the Stewart Kings of Scotland.
Barbara
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Fact of the Day
On 16th April in 1746, the Jacobite rebels led by Charles Edward Stewart were defeated at the Battle of Culloden in their last engagement with the British Army. The defeat finally ended the Jacobite uprising. :'(
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Men always think and worry about the family jewels...
Rob
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::) ::)oThe long time readers of the forums have seen disparaging remarks about those who lie. I see no need elaborate any further on those of the past.
Your love for truth and honesty may be much deeper than you thought. In fact it may be due to your Scottish Border heritage. I am going to quote a passage from ‘The Reiverss’ by Alistair Moffat.
“…in 1553 a tariff of punishments was formulated. The most severe was not a fine or imprisonment but something many Borders feared more. If a man was found guilty of lying under oath then his word would never be believed again and no testimony, promise or surety would be admitted or given any weight. It was a potentially profound humiliation in a society where honour of a visceral sort did operate, and where to be branded a liar was deeply shaming. As Geordie Burn confessed to Robert Carey, honour was something to be ruthlessly upheld, since he ‘spent his life taking deep revenge for slight offences’.”
TOM
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It's one reason why I really like one of the Thomson's mottoe's "Honestie is the best Policie"
Booner
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Fact of the Day
On this day in 1058 Malcolm Canmore was crowned King of Scotland. His father, King Duncan, I was killed by MacBeth, the inspiration behind Shakespeare's play of the same name, who then claimed the crown. Canmore, meaning great chief in Gallic, went into exile in England. Later with the support of Edward the Confessor, Malcolm returned to Scotland and re-claimed the throne.
Barbara
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Fact of the Day
After the sacking and pillaging of the town of Berwick in 1296, the first battle in the war of Scottish independence, an English army led by John de Warenne met a Scottish army of 40,000 at a depression near Dunbar. The Scottish army charged from high ground, but the English were prepared and the Scots turned tail and fled.
Barbara
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Fact of the Day
The Act of Union joined England and Scotland on this day in 1707. The Scottish and English parliaments were both dissolved and replaced with a new British parliament. Scotland and England had shared a monarch from 1603 but retained sovereign parliaments until the Act of Union.
Barbara
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And we know how THAT one worked out!
Thanks for posting these Barbara ---- I never have time to go looking for them, but always enjoy YOU'RE work! ;)
Mary
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Fact of the Day
Today is the anniversary of the Battle of Inverkeithing (AKA Battle of Pitreavie) in 1651. Part of the third "English" civil war, the battle pitched Oliver Cromwell's parliamentary New Model Army against a force of Scots loyal to King Charles. Among the 2,000 Scots dead were some 760 Macleans.
Barbara
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Yay, welcome back fact of the day
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Thanks Graham. :D
Fact of the Day for July 22, 1298
Scottish army commanded by Sir William Wallace defeated by English forces under Edward I, King of England, at Battle of Falkirk. Sir William Wallace subsequently resigned as Guardian of Scotland. :'(
Fact of the Day for July 22, 1484
A rebellious raiding party led by Alexander Stewart, Duke of Albany, and James Douglas, 9th Earl of Douglas, were defeated by Scots forces loyal to Albany’s brother James III, King of Scots, at Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire.
Barbara
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August 2, 1618 The Five Articles
To John Knox and his followers, it had appeared that Presbyterianism was to become and remain the dominant force in all branches of Scottish life. This was not a prospect that appealed to King James 6th and as he became more experienced and powerful he used his influence to curb the power of the more extreme Presbyterians.
Bishops were re-introduced, appointed by and answerable to the Crown. By threats and bribery, the General Assembly was curbed of its more independent members. Finally, in 1618 on James’ instructions the Assembly met in Perth to pass the so-called Five Articles. There was to be kneeling at Communion; Private Communion in cases of necessity; Private baptism in like cases; Observation of the great Christian festivals of Christmas and Easter and Confirmation by the Bishops.
The Articles inspired opposition and dismay and to many in Scotland it seemed one more step, and a large one at that, on the road back to Popery. The trouble was that James, like the other Stewarts, believed in the divine right of Kings and the Presbyterian ministers believed in the divine origin of Presbyterianism.
The conflict was not to be resolved until the end of the century when the last Stewart king, James 7th, had been driven from Scotland.
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Fact of the Days
14 August 1040
MacBeth slew King Duncan I in battle at Bothnagowan, near Elgin, and succeeded him as King of Scots. During his reign of 17 years he proved to be a very capable king.
15 August 1057
Macbeth, King of Scots, was defeated and killed in battle at Lumphannan with Malcolm, son of King Duncan.
“ ‘That man is noucht born of wiff
Off power to reff me my lif.’
The knycht said: ‘I was nevir born,
Bot of my modyr wayme was schorn.
Now sal this tresson here tak ende,
And til thi fadyr I sal the sende.’
Thus Makbeth thai than
In to the wode of Lunfannan.”
Wynton Chronicle VI. Xviii.
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King Duncan and King Malcolm we my gggg something grandfathers, Macbeth was a gggg something uncle of mine and was the inspiration for Shakespear's "Macbeth"
It was just a little family fued, everything is ok now.
Regards,
Booner
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We are related Booner.........those are my ancestors too!
Cousin Barb :D
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So is Edward the 1st -"The hammer of the Scotts"
Although, I think as a leader of the English, he was pretty good. and His grandson wasn't to bad either. Can't say much for his son, although the way he died was pretty interesting.
Booner
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Yep, Edward the Ist. here too. Don't like him at all. Seems once you find a connection to Royalty they are all connected in one way or another through marriages to Royalty from other countries. Lots of inbreeding..........hummmmm.....maybe that's what's wrong with me... ;D Kidding, just kidding. ;D
Barbara
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My connection to the Royals is through the illigitimate daughter of William the Lion. So I may not be a bastard, but i'm related to one.
Booner
and what are doing up so late Barb?