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Title: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 04, 2010, 08:13:24 AM
I finally sent in my Pedigree Chart, so now I can hold my head up.   :)

I recently had an autosomal "Family Finder" test from Familytreedna.  Anyone can take it and it will test both sides of the family up to 6 generations.  I've received 45 names with their surnames and sometimes gedcom files.  There are few Thompson's in their trees, but I have yet to make a connection.  It's like researching backwards. 

Is there a category that has surnames, of the Thompson's on this site?  Also, kit numbers might be helpful.  Any other ideas how we can make connections with each other?  Maybe I just don't know where to look.

Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas Thompson on December 04, 2010, 11:06:19 AM
Hi

   No, we do not have a topic on DNA it might help if we did, but then w need the data from non-members to stay current. I suggest we use the Family Tree Thompson project spread sheet as the research source point. Then we ask the Administrator to establish a new topic 'DNA' We could use the new topic for questions and comments and also post our kit numbers so we could compare our markers on the Family Tree Thompson project page.
   I hope everyone will comment on this and then we can use the best suggestions for a good addition to our forum.
Tom
   
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 04, 2010, 02:56:17 PM
It looks like the independent Thompson DNA project site http://www.thompsonfamilies.org has been quasi-abandoned. They used ybase as their default database. I did get in touch with them long enough to enter my results, but then never heard back from them. I heard from a person on one of the DNA users groups that the administrators need help. Right now the person in charge is Kathy Borges (spelling?). She's also deeply involved in ISOGG and that takes most of her time. From other posts on the DNA Newbies user group she also seems to be heavily involved in the ideas and technology used in the family finder process (although it's pretty advanced stuff and fairly confusing to me).

Family Tree DNA seems to be the king of the family projects. As someone who tested with Ancestry.com I can say that it's critical to find out what your numbers would be at FTDNA and learn to speak about them in FTDNA's order if you want to be able to converse with others. The only company I see mentioned more on the DNA newbies group is 23 and me. FTDNA has a free database at ysearch.org, but I've heard some complaints that it's records don't get updated when people upgrade to newer tests (like when they move from 37 markers to 68 or whatever). The other drawback is that it is limited to YDNA.

Genetree, Genebase, SMGF, Ybase and Ysearch all allowed me to put in my numbers for free and search their databases. Maybe we could link to all these sites as possible search areas for members with any tips and tricks we've picked up to help in their search?

Genetree, SMGF and Ancestry.com happen to use Sorenson Genomics as their testing company. Ybase is set up by DNAHeritage, Genebase may be a DNAheritage company as well. Genetree and Genebase also feature MTDNA searches.

I think for right now, Family finder is in a class by itself because it looks at more than just Y and mitochondrial DNA and actually checks 22 chromosomes. I'm sure it will be the standard of the future though. I'm not sure what other companies offer autosomal testing.
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 04, 2010, 05:02:51 PM
How about a surname category?  Surnames that are married to Thompson's.  I would like to see the surnames of other members  because it might help me find my missing Thompson. 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 04, 2010, 05:18:29 PM
I found this link elsewhere in the forum: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=clan_thompson

I clicked on a few of the alphabetical links along the top of the results and they appear to be spouses plus. Of course T contains the Thompsons. I'm not sure if this is the current database.

mike
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 04, 2010, 07:04:02 PM
Thanks, I will check it out right now.
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Mary on December 05, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
Hi Guys -

Yep, that's the clan members' submitted genealogy. It SHOULD be much larger, but for some reason we have trouble getting people to send in their family info! Now you know why we really want them to send them - it could help so many find their missing ancestors!

Good idea on links for some of the other DNA sites, Mike.  I'll see if I can track them down and put them in the LINKS section of the website.  Do you have a copy of your DNA?  We have been comparing DNAs and have found 5 families of Thompsons now who are related back to Kilbirnie, Scotland. We have others who we have yet to connect to another member, but the more of the test results we can gather, the better chance we have of finding matches.
Would you be willing to share your DNA results with us (tomaryfarm@yahoo.com)?
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Mary on December 05, 2010, 09:24:29 AM
How about a surname category?  Surnames that are married to Thompson's.  I would like to see the surnames of other members  because it might help me find my missing Thompson. 

Unfortunately, most members don't include their spouse's last name/birth info!  Even if you are joining the society and opt to join as a single, giving us the spouse info might help people looking like you are.  Hope the rootsweb database helps....  :)
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 05, 2010, 12:06:32 PM
The Clan Thompson database is perfect.  Thank you for all that hard work.  It took me a couple of months to send mine in because I didn't know who to start with.  I  kept changing my mind and then got busy with other things. 

 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 07, 2010, 06:16:44 AM
Here are are 2 of my matches from Familytreedna with their surnames.  They both have Thompson in them.  Any of these names connected to your Thompsons?

 * Dixon
    * McKinney
    * Creech
    * Clark
    * Gilliam
    * Blair
    * Wells
    * Robertson
    * Hibbard
    * Cox
    * Moore
    * Reams
    * House
    * Angel
    * Mays
    * Couch
    * Barrett
    * Feathers
    * Koger
    * Woody
    * Tamar
    * Teeter
    * Robinson
    * Osborne
    * Lucas
    * McDaniel
    * Baker
    * Amis
    * Durkee
    * Ford
    * Faure
    * Bondurant
    * Connelly
    * Fetter
    * Vetter
    * Banks ?
    * Barnet ?
    * Vanderveer
    * Roman
    * Poe
    * Buller
    * Harper
    * Thompson
    * Fullerton
    * Middleton
    * Daugherty
    * Huff

    * Williams (Georgia
    * Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * Wilkes (Chester County
    * South Carolina)
    * Wedgeworth (Abbeville District
    * South Carolina)
    * Vaughn (Rhode Island)
    * Vest (Virginia
    * Georgia)
    * Thompson (Virginia)
    * Teal (Maryland)
    * Sandlin (North Carolina
    * Mississippi)
    * Sandland (Goochland County
    * Virginia)
    * Smith (South Carolina)
    * Scales (North Carolina
    * Elbert County
    * Georgia)
    * Stuart (Scotland)
    * Stubbefield (Virginia)
    * Sheppard
    * Speer (Somerset County
    * Maryland)
    * Reynolds (South Carolina)
    * Randolph (Virginia
    * Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * Rutledge (Kentucky
    * North Carolina)
    * Rushing (Tennessee)
    * Robertson (South Carolina)
    * Parsons (Arundel County
    * Maryland)
    * Price (Arundel County
    * Maryland)
    * Phillips
    * Patterson (North Ireland
    * Augusta County
    * Virginia)
    * Pipin (Maryland
    * North Carolina)
    * Noles (Rowan County
    * North Carolina
    * Alabama)
    * Mathews
    * Logan (Kentucky
    * Alabama)
    * Lawson (North Carolina
    * Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * King (Georgia
    * Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * Kelly or Kelley (Ireland
    * Cobb County
    * Georgia)
    * Joslin (Virginia)
    * Harbin (England
    * North Carolina)
    * Harvey (Georgia)
    * Henson (South Carolina
    * Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * Hampson (London
    * England)
    * Hogg (South Carolina)
    * Green
    * Gill (Virginia
    * Georgia)
    * Ford (Maryland)
    * Felkner
    * Dill (Kent County
    * Delaware
    * Alabama)
    * Deason (South Carolina)
    * Crandford (Walker County
    * Alabama)
    * Crim (South Carolina
    * Alabama)
    * Crowder or Crider (South Carolina)
    * Creed (South Carolina)
    * Crowson (Tennessee)
    * Christian (Goochland County
    * Virginia
    * South Carolina)
    * Conyers
    * Childers (Virginia
    * South Carolina)
    * Caldwell (Pennsylvania)
    * Brown (South Carolina)
    * Barrett (Delaware)
    * Bright (Essex
    * England)
    * Baskin (Donegal
    * Ireland)
    * Bakes (Chesterfield County
    * Virginia)
    * Allen (Elbert County
    * Georgia)
    * Atkins (South Carolina
    * Virginia
    * Alabama)
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 07, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
Not sure what it would mean but I have Hibbards in my family tree on my Thompson side. Mortimer G. Hibbard and his daughter Telitha Hibbard from Tazewell Illinois are directly related to me through my great grandmother, Orvetta Finks (mother to my grandfather Charles Thompson). That seems pretty distant though.
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 08, 2010, 06:06:17 AM
The list with Hibbard belongs to Carl Lewis Lawson.  His tree shows a Susannah Thompson b. Nov 1803.  She was married to Jesse Gill.  Her father was George Thompson (PA), grandfather George (England) and ggrandfather Thomas. 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas Thompson on December 08, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
Hello Dusevoir

    I am a bit confused after looking at all the matches you posted from Family Tree. I thought the DNA results were supposed to limit your related links
to the most likely with a genetic distance of three or less.
    The numbers in your post seems to indicate someone in you past might have been a bit promiscuous? The good thing ( I think) is that the cavorting was outside the family  ;D
   Seriously I haven't a clue regarding  your matches, nor can I think of any way to help your search.
If you can narrow it down somewhat ( dates and locations) maybe we can help.
Tom
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 08, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
Well, that Hibbard hint is as good as any. My Thompsons are also possibly from Pennsylvania so it gives me a name to look up. Thanks very much for posting it. Susannah would be about 30 years older than my earliest known Thompson.

Out of curiosity does he know where the Thompsons were in England?

Thanks,

mike
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: William J. Thompson on December 08, 2010, 03:52:26 PM
Osborne is a familiar name for me...my grandmother was an Osborne. (And the VA Thompsons)

--Bill.
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 09, 2010, 09:19:33 AM
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I am a bit confused after looking at all the matches you posted from Family Tree. I thought the DNA results were supposed to limit your related links
to the most likely with a genetic distance of three or less.
    The numbers in your post seems to indicate someone in you past might have been a bit promiscuous? The good thing ( I think) is that the cavorting was outside the family  Grin

I know, I'm a bit confused and overwhelmed to say the least.  I now have 48 matches and only some will give their surnames or gedcom files.  The surnames I listed belong to the two cousins below.  Lawson has a tree on Rootsweb  http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=cllawson&surname=T  he has 38 Thompsons from Alabama.  I'm still looking for Huff's tree.  I think I found it on Ancestry.com but I'd like to be sure.

I listed my 4th cousin's (Carl Lewis Lawson) surnames second and  my 5th cousins (Coleman Conrad Huff) first.   

The Family Finder is different from the male dna test.  It will match you up to 6 generations, male and female.  Everyone of my matches are 4th or 5th cousins.   I'm not allowed to join the Thompson group at Familytreedna since I'm female and I can't have the Y-DNA test.  I might have to get my son to do it. 

Anyway...............I wasn't sure how to post my dna results.   

Promiscuous family members in our past?  I hear that's hereditary.

Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 09, 2010, 09:24:38 AM
Mike,  I will try to find out where in England the Thompsons are from. 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 09, 2010, 09:33:25 AM
Bill, There are some Osbornes on that tree from Virginia.  Which Osborne connects with Thompson? 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas Thompson on December 09, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
Hi Dusevoir
     My apologies. I was out of line - sorry about that - it won't happen again.

  I realize that you can't use Y-Search as a female, but I didn't know they listed as matches 6th cousins. How will knowing the family tree of your 4th cousin help you find your early Thompson link?
   Please correct my impression. Do you and other similar females, hope to find an older Thompson common link listed in the family trees of cousins?
For example: a DNA match 4th cousin might have a record of his/her ggreat grandfather Thompson. This person would then be the brother of your ancestor.
   From what I think I know about DNA; testing your son would only provide DNA results about his father's ancestors. Y-Search requires a male to male relationship. I think your only hope is to find a male 1st cousin ( son of a brother) and use his DNA to connect to your relation.
I am glad you have opened up this avenue of  DNA problems. Everyone reading your posts will have a better understanding of what DNA tests can and cannot accomplish.
Tom
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 09, 2010, 10:22:28 PM
Thanks Dusevoir. I appreciate it.

mike
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 12, 2010, 06:33:20 AM
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My apologies. I was out of line - sorry about that - it won't happen again.

Dear Thomas Thompson,

Thank you. I accept your apology.   :)

Seeing the trees of my matches, I hope to find a Thompson or other surnames in my Thompson tree.  My 4th cousin means we would share a 3rd great grandparent.  That's right where my roadblock is for my Thompson line.

My cousin, John Thompson found me last spring with the help of Cathy.  My great grandfather is his grandfather.  He has all the DNA info on the Thompsons from Scotland and I have all the info on the other end.  We are still trying to find the link in between.   

I attached a page of my DNA matches to give you an idea what I see.

Barb

 

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Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas B. Thompson on December 13, 2010, 05:51:43 PM
Dusevoir,
I was reading your post about your cousin John Thompson and you mentioned that he had the DNA of all the Thompsons in Scotland. Were you refering to only the Thompson's on your side of the family?
The reason I am asking is that my 8th grand-father, William Thompson, was born in 1646 in Edinburgh
Scotland and I as wondering if your cousin's list went back that far. Would you be so kind to see if his name pops up?

Thank you for your time

Thomas B Thompson  ( INDIANA )
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 13, 2010, 06:26:23 PM
Hello Thomas B. Where in Indiana? My Indiana Thompsons are from the Alexandria area. Also, if you don't mind, what does the B. stand for?

Mike James Thompson
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas B. Thompson on December 15, 2010, 05:18:42 AM
Back at ya Mike J,
My Thompson's are from Harlan and Bell counties in Southeastern Kentucky by way
North Carolina by way of Maryland by way of Edinburgh Scotland (1646 )
The B stands for Brady and it is the middle name of my granfather John Brady Todd on
my mother's side. I feel fortunate that both sides of my family are Scottish.
Hopefully someday, I can trace my granfather's side.
Good luck with you search.
Merry Christmas and Happy Year

Thomas B Thompson
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: uneven on December 15, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
Cool. We don't really have any family names that I know of. Except for Naomi. I followed the Naomis through several generations and that's how I found out my wife and I are from the same family of Sutherlands.

The Carolinas seem to be a jumping off point for a lot of Thompsons. North and South Carolinians of multiple surnames show up in my DNA matches.

If I meet enough Indiana Thompsons I think I'll eventually run into someone from my own family. Thanks for telling me about yours.

My great grandfather was named Ray Bishop Thompson. Many people called him Bishop most people called him "Polar". The family story is that he worked on the railroad and lost a few toes to frostbite. Now if your middle name had been Bishop, I'd have been hounding you for all kinds of information.

Thanks again for the family information.

mike
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: William J. Thompson on December 16, 2010, 06:53:04 PM
Bill, There are some Osbornes on that tree from Virginia.  Which Osborne connects with Thompson? 
Neat! Here's what I have...

My gm was Hildred Mamie Thompson, b. 2/23/1920 in Anawalt, McDowell, WV, d. 2/4/1984 in Largo, Pinellas, FL.
She was married to my gf Ralph Woodrow Thompson, b. 11/1/1912 In Tazewell, Tazewell, VA, d. 5/12/1976 in Bluefield, Mercer, WV.

Hildred's dad, my ggf, was William Clarence Osborne, b. 4/5/1894 in Tazewell, VA, d. 12/9/1970 in Largo, Pinellas, FL.
He had an older sister, b. ~1897, Effie L. Osborne.
I don't know his father, but his step-father was Brantty Y. Fox, and his mother was Mary (Osborne) Fox.

Any familiar names? ;D
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 18, 2010, 07:15:56 AM
 
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I was reading your post about your cousin John Thompson and you mentioned that he had the DNA of all the Thompsons in Scotland. Were you refering to only the Thompson's on your side of the family?

Thomas B. Thompson......here is John Thompson's tree...
   

Andrew Thomson b. 1839  Dundonald, Ayr, Scotland,
Archibald Thompson  B:  22 June 1677  Abbotshall, Scotland, United Kingdom,
Robert Thompson  B:1707  Antrim, County of Antrim, Province of Ulster, Ireland, 
Archibald Thompson  B:1740  Pennsylvania, United States,
Benjamin Thompson  B:25 Mar 1777  Norriton, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, US 

Now, there is this gap we are still trying to figure out.

Our known ancestors...

Jacob B Thompson married to Nancy Fuller in  Jeffersonville, Clark, Indiana.                                 

Orlando "Ollie" Lynch Thompson  B. May 1842 in Jeffersonville, Indiana  married to Wilhanetta Y Martin.  In 1850 they lived Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky.

Alonzo "Lon" B Thompson B. 8 August 1868 married Darthula Green.

Maurice "Morris" L. Thompson B. 1903 in Rankin, Illinois, USA married Alice Paull in Oregon. (my grandparents)

These Thompsons moved to Paducah, Kentucky.

I have seen the names Osborne and Fox in my DNA matches trees.  I just have to find it again.  I really need a secretary.  Do you have the surname Berry in your tree? 

 :) Barb


Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: William J. Thompson on December 19, 2010, 03:26:33 PM
No Berrys in my tree. Plenty of nuts, though.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 20, 2010, 06:41:31 AM
Ya.......we have a few of those, too.   ;D
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Thomas B. Thompson on December 20, 2010, 10:05:10 PM
I have Berry on my mother's side of the family which I haven't explored yet.
My mother's sister Betty Todd married a Charles Berry. Both have past away.
Two cousins Wayne Berry and Richard Berry. Ring any bells???

Thomas B. Thompson
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on December 21, 2010, 07:34:18 AM
I have seen both Berry and Todd in my DNA surname matches.  I will try and find them again to see who they belong to.
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on January 21, 2011, 09:15:12 AM
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Out of curiosity does he know where the Thompsons were in England?

Thanks,

mike

Sorry Mike, I have not been able to find where the Thompsons were in England. 

I'm still keeping my eyes open. 

Barb
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Booner on January 25, 2011, 09:54:16 PM
Ducevoir,

I think this person is in your line, by that I mean you posted him-->Benjamin Thompson  B:25 Mar 1777  Norriton, Montgomery, Pennsylvania, US 

I did a search on Google maps and there is a East & West Norriton, PA in Montgomery township.. What is really interesting to me is Benjamin live about 8 mile from Trappe, PN, which is where my first U.S. Thomson (Edward Franklin Thomson), lived sometime after 1794. 

Booner
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on January 28, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
Booner, Thanks for looking it up on the map.  We may be closer cousins than we thought. 

I believe Benjamin Thompson is my ggggrandfather.  It's a wild, maybe, for sure, kind of guess.  All because looking back in 1820-1840, my Thompsons lived in Jeffersonville, Clark, Indiana.  Benjamin was the only other name besides my known Thompsons (Orlando and Alonzo) in that city and county. 
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Booner on February 01, 2011, 10:36:52 PM
Ducevoir,

I'll be your cousin!

It is amazing how some states figure in our families history.  For instance Indiana seems to be a pathway for most of our families as the made their way westward.  I'll have to look up the towns my family lived in in Indiana and for how long.  My question is why Indiana?  I have ancestors who moved from N. Carolina up to Indiana the west,  Again, why through Indiana?  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Booner
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on February 02, 2011, 08:18:27 AM
OK, cousin Booner........I searched a bit on the internet and found Larry Thompson (couldn't find him on this site).  He has a thread going on Rootsweb.  You may already know about this.  It has a lot of info about Thompson families and some in Indiana.  The link below is where my search took me, then I just clicked around the site.  I had fun, anyway. :)

THOMPSON-L Archives
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/THOMPSON/1999-08/0934262176
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Barbara on April 01, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
Ducevoir,

I'll be your cousin!

It is amazing how some states figure in our families history.  For instance Indiana seems to be a pathway for most of our families as the made their way westward.  I'll have to look up the towns my family lived in in Indiana and for how long.  My question is why Indiana?  I have ancestors who moved from N. Carolina up to Indiana the west,  Again, why through Indiana?  Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Booner

Booner, the Ohio river took people to Indiana.  It was easier to travel by boat than by narrow trails through the forests.  Check out this site:
http://mjcpl.org/rivertorail/beforesteam/pioneers-go-west (http://mjcpl.org/rivertorail/beforesteam/pioneers-go-west)

Cousin Barbara
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on April 01, 2011, 08:39:07 AM
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Booner, the Ohio river took people to Indiana.  It was easier to travel by boat than by narrow trails through the forests.  Check out this site:
http://mjcpl.org/rivertorail/beforesteam/pioneers-go-west

Thanks, Barbara, that's an interesting website.  My ggrandfather Alonzo, (the one I have in my photo) was a Railroad Engineer with Lake Erie, Western RR and Illinois Central (Paducah, KY, Rankin, IL and Tipton, IN).  He also ran the steamboats.   

Barb
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Barbara on April 01, 2011, 08:23:35 PM
Hi Barb, isn't it exciting to find things like that when we start researching.  :D  I wonder what kind of traits were passed down the line to me from my ancestors.....I know arthritis was... ::) I could have done without that gene!   ;D

Another Barb
Title: Re: DNA results
Post by: Dusevoir on April 14, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
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I wonder what kind of traits were passed down the line to me from my ancestors.....I know arthritis was... Roll Eyes

I've got that one, too.

I would love to know who gave me my traits.  Like a poster with names on my eyes, nose, mouth, hair, body parts, illnesses, personality, etc.  Is that too much to ask for?   ;D

Barb