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Genealogy => Thom(p)son DNA Project => Topic started by: Booner on April 20, 2009, 10:28:05 PM

Title: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Booner on April 20, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
In reading the post of Jimmie an Paula Thompson, I noted they made reference to Kilbirnie Scotland as the home of their earliest ancestor.

When I received my DNA results, there were various people i found I was related to; (Tom and I are distant cousins),  but the person I found the closest relation to ( 36 out of 37 markers, and the marker we did not match (DSY449), we were only off by 1 ) was a JAMES THOMPSON, born 1709 in Ulster IRE. immigrated to Massachusetts in 1718 and died 13 FEB 1759 in Pelham, MASS.  He was married to MARTHA WASSEN (or WATSON) who was born in 1716 in Cloghgaldenagh, Dunaghy Parish (Antrim) IRE. 

My DNA testing says that this man is my most recent common ancestor.  However I don't know my exact relation to him; he could be an cousin or uncle, but he and I (and Tom) are related.

I got lucky after a lot more digging and found out the father of JAMES, a JOHN THOMPSON, born about 1672 in KILBIRNIE, Ayrshire, Scotland, and died about 1710 in Ulster, Antrim, IRE.  In Ulster in 1698, John married ESTER HALE, born 1678 in Ulster, Antrim, IRE.

One of the interesting things about Kilbirnie is that in 1740 there were only about 3 homes, and that was at least 42 years -after- John Thompson had moved to Ireland and got married.  So Jimmie & Paula's ancestor moved from Kilbirnie to the same area in Ireland as did a relative of mine and Toms.  So perhaps we are related, that our Thompson ancestors were of a large family centered around a very tiny hamlet in Scotland, and moved to the same area in Ireland, perhaps at different times, and again at different times, emigrated to the U.S. JAMES THOMPSON moved to MASS in 1719 in the first of the five Scots-Irish immigration waves, while my direct ancestor moved to the Pennsylvania after the wave was over in 1794.  It's my guess is that James was a cousin of mine, 3 or 4 times removed and 80 years older than my ancestor.  And not a close enough ancestor that the rest of the Thompson clan followed him to the same place.

But he and I shared a common ancestor, and that why it's very important that we all post our family history as best we can, and if possible, get your DNA tested and post that too. (see my posting or my DNA results).  I believe that someday we'll be able to tie the strings together that will show how some of us here are truly related.

regards,
Booner
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Mary on April 21, 2009, 09:23:39 AM
GREAT post, Booner!

Sure wish we could find the elusive link..........the time frames for you and Tom are good too! Francis was born between 1799 and 1804.

Maybe someday............
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Cathy McTavish on April 24, 2009, 03:54:20 AM
I have my brothers DNA on Ancestry.com. where is your DNA posted and i wonder if I can manually enter his in there.  It would be interesting if we could find out if there were any of this mysterious McTavish connection.  Now I know this is clan thompson, but I would really love to find out that there was no connection between the Dunardry bunch and my DNA............then I know I would be free of them!!!
Cathy
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Booner on April 24, 2009, 12:51:08 PM
Cathy,

We might not be related, but you'll always be my sister.

Looking forward to meeting you in Glasgow  (if i still have a job)

Booner
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Booner on April 24, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
And Jimmie & Paula-- you need to post on this topic!

Booner
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Thomas Thompson on April 25, 2009, 07:28:44 AM
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where is your DNA posted

Under the Thom(p)son Genealogy - Post your DNA
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Pamela K. Thompson on May 22, 2009, 06:58:55 AM
Hey Cousin Brother! We've been absent a while on the forum but I'm back, I'm Jim's wife, known as Karma, and I'm the one who has done the research for the Family tree. If you are related to John and Ester then we are related. John was killed being thrown from a horse, Ester Hale Thompson died a few days later they left a son James (called Jimmie, so cool as that is Jim's actual given name, spelling and all) an orphan. He was put in bondage and at 13 ran away back to Scotland. There he went to work for a man named Alexander, was sent to school and raised in his home and eventually married their daughter Ruth. They came to America, as did Ruth's parents in the mid 1700's and settled west of philadelphia, jimmie and ruth died there..........need more?
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Jimmie on May 23, 2009, 07:49:04 AM
Booner:

  The John Thompson you mention who married Ester Hale is also my ancestor, 7g. However, my information states that James moved from Kilbirnie with his wife Ruth Alexander and her parents in the 1730's to Pennsylvania (just west of Phila.). Another clan member, Don Thompson, contacted me and he is also a decendant of James Thompson. He is a decendant of one of Jame's sons, William, whereas I am a decendant of Alexander, another of Jame's Son. I have a lot more information if you would like to indulge. Also, Don Thompson, has a lot of ancestral information. I have his e-mail address if you would want it. I suspect you are in his lineage. If John Thompson and Ester Hale are your ancestors then we are distant relatives. E-mail me at jkkt@sbcglobal.net.
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Pamela K. Thompson on May 24, 2009, 06:16:07 AM
Booner,  I've been called lots of names, some nice, ;D some not but I've not been called Paula! I'm Pamela, or better, to family and friends, Karma.
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Mary on May 24, 2009, 07:29:06 AM
Jimmie -

You need to get your DNA done! I'd love to see how many markers Booner, Tom and Don would have to your DNA markers! The more of these we can get done and compare, the more we can say we ARE FAMILY!

Mary
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Jimmie on May 24, 2009, 02:36:01 PM
Mary

  We have traced my ancestry back to at least John Thompson in Antrim, Ireland and maybe further. Our information states that John's Father was Alexander Thompson and his father was also Alexander Thompson both from Kilbirnie. However our information also states that Alexander was given land in Antrim, Ireland for fighting in the Tyrone Rebellion. The only problem is the Tryone Rebellion was fought at an earlier date than either Alexander was born. I am beginning to believe that since the Tyrone Reb. was also called the nine years war and at a later date another nine years wars was fought that whoever was doing the geneological research got the two wars confused and one of the Alexanders was given land for fighting in the latter nine years war. Don and I both are stuck at that point. Don is decended from Jame's Son, William and I am decended from Jame's Son ,Alexander. I betcha that  Tom is also decended from Alexander.   
 Having stated that Mary, I think Tom is probably from the "Southern Thompsons" (this is what Don refers to us as) just as I am. If that is the case then I have gobs of information on the Southern Thompsons that you and Tom will really enjoy. We also have a membership to Ancestry. com and my wife can let you use our password and you and Tom can check it out. Give us as many of Tom's grandfathers as you can and we can trace it back real quick. The Southern Thompsons have a rich history. If this seems confusing now I can clarify everything as soon as we discern Tom's geneology.   Jimmie
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Thomas Thompson on May 26, 2009, 08:53:23 AM
Jimmie
   How I envy you.  All of you seem to be able to trace your family back for ever so long. My efforts have been very slow in bearing fruit. It seems my Thompson roots have a fatal heart condition - has led to two breaks in the links due to being orphans at an early age.
    MY gggrandfather was born somewhere in Ireland in about 1805 came to America somehow prior to age 15.  The first official record I have of him is his naturalization papers in 1838. Married in 1842, bought several properties and operated a canal boat in Mifflin Co Pa. Had three children and died in 1852.
Buried in St. Marks Cemetery, Lewistown Pa. His eldest son James Alexander traveled with entire family to In/IL married  had three children and died at age 50.
  Not much to go on is there?
Title: Re: Our Kilbirnie Scotland Connection
Post by: Jimmie on May 26, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
Tom
 How then can you and Booner be related unless it started sometime before John Thompson and Ester Hale. Booner states that you and he are related  and he states that his dna connected him to John Thompson and Esther Hale Thompson. They were the parents of James (Jimmie) Thompson who was an orphan at age 10 and came to America in the 1730's. They settled just west of Plila. Pa. I have more precise  records of which I can refer if needed. They had several offspring, one of whom was Alexander who married Elizabeth Hodge in Pa. and they moved to Burke County, North Carolina. They had several children and Alex and his older son, James, fought in the battle of Kings Mountain in Burke County in the revolutionary war. For this they were given some land in Ga. and they all moved there. They then moved to the South Fork of Broad River now in Hall County Ga. There they ran a 1900 hundred acre plantation and had a grist mill and saw mill. The Thompsons held this plantation for three generations. Thompson's Mill Ga. still exist and is a thriving area. It looks to be about 30 to 45 minutes East of Atlanta. I have never been there but will vist someday. Supposedly the original home built by Alex is still there and some ruins of the old mills. One of Alexanders sons was Robert my 4g grandfather. then Alexander again then Belford then Henry Alford then Romie then my dad Henry Neal then me.  I have all of there wives' names also. Give me you Dads, grandfather etc as far as you can and let us run it through Ancestors.Com and see what we come up with. You may be surprised. That name William Alexander is just to close not to think you are not in our line somehow.  Jimmie